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Governors of Colorado

I recently got full access to newspapers.com, so I've been using it to shore up our governor articles, primarily verifying dates. You can see I'm working on Colorado now, and all of the early territorial governors have been a pickle. Can you take a look at the conclusions I'm making and see if they make sense? I'm trying to source everything, but modern sources appear to have gotten so much wrong about the early dates. For example, sources seem unanimous that Hunt was appointed governor on April 27, but the earliest contemporary reference I can find to that is his predecessor resigning on, and Hunt being appointed on, May 8. I also had to do a lot of gymnastics with Alexander Cummings' and William Gilpin's dates, so I'd love for someone with an interest in this topic to take a look. Thanks! --Golbez (talk) 22:29, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I'll take a look. Thanks,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 23:06, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@Golbez: The timeline for the first five territorial governors is messed up. The Colorado State Archives state the following:

• William R. Gilpin was appointed March 25, 1861.
• John R. Evans was appointed March 26, 1862 and resigned August 1, 1865.
• There was no territorial governor from August 1 to October 17, 1865.
• Alexander R. Cummings was appointed October 17, 1865. (Cummings only resigned on April 27, 1867 upon learning that Hunt had been appointed.)
• Alexander Cameron Hunt was appointed April 24, 1867.
• Edward Moody McCook was appointed June 14, 1869.

If you could add a reference to each of the Wikipedia Colorado Governor articles with a link to the relevant State Archives article it would really help. Thanks,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 22:33, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

There's two issues at work here: One, I tried to change the date to the date they took office in Colorado, rather than whatever we were using before. Secondly, look at the references I added - I referenced every single date that didn't match with the archives. I've seen enough states get this wrong that I can't take their word for it anymore, hence the reliance on contemporary news sources. So the two issues are: I won't take the archives at their word, so there needs to be better sourcing than that; but primarily, is using the date they took office in Colorado wrong? The way I see it, consistency demands we pick one of either: The date they took office in the state; the date they were sworn in (which was sometimes out of state); or the date they were confirmed. Confirmed is the easiest; it also has the least bearing on reality, as obviously many governors continued serving for months after their successor's confirmation. So it seems the only remaining option is when they received the oath of office, as I have yet to find a situation where someone retained the office after their successor had been sworn in out of state. So, I changed the dates to that - that helps best explain why they don't match the Archives.

So, all that said: Was I wrong to use that date? --Golbez (talk) 02:00, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

@Golbez: You should use the date territorial governors were appointed by the President. The date they were sworn in or arrived in Colorado are really incidental. You can add those dates as notes. Thanks,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 18:21, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

What you're saying is, the main date we use should be the appointed date; my deleted comment (I think) misinterpreted what you said. But that wouldn't work - there are numerous situations where a previous governor carried on after the previous was appointed, or the appointed one never made it to the state, or what not. And there's some situations where we don't even have good sourcing on when a recess appointment occurred. I laid out my reasons for why I picked it, I can't spend any further time defending it without something to defend against other than "it's incidental." I explained why it wasn't. --Golbez (talk) 03:42, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Let me put this another way. I see four possible dating systems we can use:

1. Date appointed by president;
   • Pros: Easy to source in most cases (recess appointments require further work); objective importance.
   • Cons: Allows for huge overlap for terms where someone was appointed six months before they actually had any powers of the office; apart from recess appointments, appointments have no actual power, so we shouldn't give them such. A presidential appointment is analogous to an election, not a start of a term.
2. Date confirmed by Senate or recess-appointed by president;
   • Pros: Easy to source in most cases (recess still annoying); objective importance.
   • Cons: Still overlap for terms, but much less egregious.
3. Date sworn in;
   • Pros: This signifies the formal changeover from one governor to another.
   • Cons: Can be difficult to source, in some cases impossible.
4. Date took office in state;.
   • Pros: This signifies the practical changeover from one governor to another.
   • Cons: At least as difficult to source as the above.

My preference would be either 2 or 3; I've been adapting all of the governor articles to use 3 but can be convinced to switch to 2. But my concern is, there were often months in between, not just being confirmed and getting to the state, but even just getting confirmed and getting sworn in. It seems poor form to use the confirmed date if they don't have any power til they're sworn in; it would be analogous, I suppose, to the date that the legislature certifying election results. I could easily see this heading to an RFC. --Golbez (talk) 06:23, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

@Golbez: The State of Colorado uses the date of presidential appointment which is in accord with federal law. Federal law prevails in all U.S. territories. While some territorial governors may have acted after a successor had been appointed, those acts can be countermanded by his successor. Yours aye,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 22:01, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

I think I need to disagree with you. By that logic, John Gurley was a governor of Arizona Territory, despite dying before he would have been sworn in. Arizona rightly doesn't consider him one. As for "There was no territorial governor from August 1 to October 17, 1865" Based on what? McMullin says the resignation was requested July 18, and Baker says the resignation was actually submitted on September 4. I see no date at all in the Archives, so what did you base that "August 1" date on? I see something in Evans' papers about correspondence dated August 1 but with no detail. Furthermore, the Archives says his successor was "appointed October 17" - again, I have multiple sources saying this is likely inaccurate. They have no primary sourcing, I have been unable to find any primary sourcing of a recess appointment, and the closest contemporary reporting I have to the subject says he was appointed as early as August 18. I have exhaustively sourced every one of these dates, so to you simply to dismiss it all with "well the Archives says" is not a valid response.

As for "The State of Colorado uses the date of presidential appointment," you would seem to be arguing in favor of option #2, which I can work with, but not just because Colorado uses it. --Golbez (talk) 23:36, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

@Golbez: I think you may be confusing territorial governors with state governors. If you insist on using #2, please add #1, #3, and #4 in a note and add to each territorial governor article. Yours aye,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 23:45, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

You could put the date appointed under the presidents name. Yours aye,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 03:11, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you. An RFC is a better route. --Golbez (talk) 03:19, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

@Golbez: Why don't you submit an RFC at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/History and geography. This will affect 31 states and all existing or former U.S. territories so those state and territory WikiProjects should be notified. Thanks,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 03:26, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

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RE: Locating Parkville: This week I will have time to visit sites/libraries in Summit County. Are we searching for the original location of Parkville or searching for additional material that could enable us to publish an article on Parkville? I have access to a significant number of Colorado ghost town volumes on my shelf, so if it's the latter I can contribute that way, too. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:30, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@Pbritti: Both. We are trying to determine the location of these two ghost towns and find out as much as we can about what happened to them. Thanks,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 19:27, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Consider me on the Parkville case. I can't speak to having any material on San Miguel but will happily forward you anything I happen upon. ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:38, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@Pbritti: See our discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Colorado#Colorado Collaboration invitation.  Buaidh  talk e-mail 20:12, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

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Template:Emblem WP Colorado We wish to thank everyone who contributed to our two prior Colorado collaborations to document the Amache National Historic Site and our three lost original county seats of Parkville, St. Vrain, and San Miguel. We invite you to help with our new collaboration to document the seven following former county seats:

• California Ranch, Colorado near Franktown – Douglas County seat 1864 to 1874
• Dayton, Colorado near Twin Lakes – Lake County seat 1866 to 1868
• Hahns Peak, Colorado – Routt County seat 1878 to 1912
• Lourette, Colorado – Lake County seat 1863 to 1866
• San Juan City, Colorado – Hinsdale County seat February 10, 1874 to 1875
• Ula, Colorado at 38.1500°N 105.5019°W / 38.1500; -105.5019 – Custer County seat March 9, 1877 to 1878
• Wason, Colorado near 37.8931°N 106.8428°W / 37.8931; -106.8428 – Mineral County seat March 27, 1893 to 1893

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California Ranch

I've been looking up some information on California Ranch, but what I'm finding on it seems to indicate that this was a prior name for Franktown rather than a separate town from it. Have you found anything that says differently? It looks like there is a monument where the ranch was, and I probably could get out there to photograph it at some point, but it might make more sense to cover that in the Franktown article rather than a separate one. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:57, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@Seraphimblade: I agree. Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Colorado#California_Ranch. Thanks,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 02:57, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Gotcha, thanks! Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:38, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

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Both fixed.  Buaidh  talk e-mail 15:39, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

What have you done with List of populated places in Colorado?

I see there were a flurry of moves today resulting in this split list existing at List of populated places in Colorado and List of populated places in Colorado-02, with the rationale "perform requested move, see talk page". There is existing consensus from a requested move last year at Talk:List_of_populated_places_in_Colorado#Requested move 31 August 2022 that these pages exist at List of populated places in Colorado: A–K and List of populated places in Colorado: L–Z. What is the justification for these moves to go against previous consensus? Use of "-02" is not a format indicated at WP:NCSPLITLIST. Even if there were a justification, the moves were not executed in a reasonable way, for instance there is currently no {{R from move}} redirect left behind at List of populated places in Colorado: L–Z. Please explain. Mdewman6 (talk) 04:25, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

@Mdewman6: The List, List-02, List-03, list-04, etc. sequence is the format used for a great many extended lists. The List of populated places in Colorado is exactly where you would expect it to be. This has been discussed at length over the years. Yours aye,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 05:21, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

I've fixed List of populated places in Colorado: L–Z. I'm sorry, this was an oversight.  Buaidh  talk e-mail 05:29, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, Buaidh. I left some comments at the AN/I thread. Following up on what I noted there, please adjust your recent page moves to match current guidance. Thank you very much. - jc37 20:58, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

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